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Friday, January 25, 2013

What the hell happened to Goonswarm?

It's been awhile since I've written anything about Goonswarm Federation and their leader The Mittani. It's not that I haven't noticed what's going on outside wormhole space. I frankly didn't care. If it wasn't a K162 leading into my space, it was effectively off d-scan for me.

But now I'm taking some R&R in high-sec, and I did post awhile back about a friend's take on TEST threatening Fatal Ascension, so I suppose I've already dipped my toes into this one. Since then there has been an escalation, a deescalation and tens of thousands of blog words spilled over the incident - and absolutely no POD goo.

This has left one indelible question mark inside my brain. What the hell happened to Goonswarm? This is not the alliance I've come to know and love. They NEGOTIATED a deescalation of tensions. There wasn't even a single large fleet engagement. It was at best a proxy war and a disappointing one at that. Is this appropriate behavior for vaunted Goonswarm? I think not. It certainly doesn't match their swagger and strut image. They took a smack talk torpedo from "crazy" Montolio amidships and turned the other cheek.

I once posted something about the Mittani, an obscure and unremembered bronze age empire, and compared them to The Mittani of Goonswarm. The analogy I made was the Mittani faded from memory and so will The Mittani. What I did not discuss is why the people known as the Mittani were not remembered.

It was because their existence was simply not memorable. They built no monuments. They did not conquer any worthy adversaries for the half millennium of their existence beyond their initial conquest of the Hurrians. They left no written histories for others to ponder. They kept to themselves, took no chances and faded into oblivion. In all, they did nothing of note and people don't bother to remember nothings.

This latest crisis is exactly that - nothing to remember. It's about as memorable as a boil: exciting when it erupts but once lanced completely forgettable.

Why did this outcome happen? It seems it was because Goonswarm and TEST don't want to risk what they have. That's a carebear attitude. "Dude, why'd you attack me? It took a year of campaigning and endless CTAs to obtain sovereignty over this many systems!" How is this any different than the high-sec miner who doesn't want his expensive mining barge blown up? Just because Goonswarm's mining barge is comprised of dozens (hundreds?) of Technetium moons doesn't change the attitude equation. Not taking risks so you can protect what you've invested your hard work to obtain IS a carebear attitude. I ought to know. That's what I am at heart.

But that's not what I have to be. That's what I choose to be - usually. Sometimes Mabrick does DIAF. And Goonswarm makes excuses not to fight. Damn, hell has frozen over ladies and gentlemen.


Here's some free advice from a capsuleer who's been a carebear longer than you Goonswarm. Ships are safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are built for. If you really are the combat pilots you claim to be, the self-proclaimed masters of emergent game play, then start acting like it. Dare to be great even if it risks everything. And in this instance...

Don't Fly Careful


23 comments:

  1. I think we should start using the phrase Moonbear. Goon leadership are Moonbears.

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    1. I am in favour of Band of Bees (BoB).

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    2. Not just goon leadership. Remember who was the one that talked Montolio into backing down. Pandemic Legion leadership.

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    3. I like "Moonbears" or "Band of Bees" (BoB) because GSF really has turned into the new BoB.

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  2. Its interesting to read the commentary on this recent incident. The goon leadership quotes statistics to try and keep the peace, while the rank and file grumble that war is what they signed up for.

    It will be interesting how long the warrior on the front line is sated by the street duels they're allowed to engage in before they start to look for redder pastures...

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  3. Well said and my thoughts exactly. This whole episode was like a fart. It made a little noise, it raised a little stink and, in the end, it was over with. Dare I say, the Goons have become a bunch of "Carebears."

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  4. You really think you can taunt the Goons into making war for your amusement? You think the Goon leadership haven't weighed the pros and cons of war before escalating and deescalating?

    No. *Of course" they negotiated a settlement, or cooler heads prevailed. That's what happens *every* time there's not a war, which is most times. That this would have been an enormous one is exactly why this piece was negotiated with extreme care.

    The Spartans also prided themselves on warmaking prowess, particularly as a reputation-building tool that usually made actual fighting unnecessary. Any good organization knows this principle implicitly.

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    1. Actually, a taunt would insult their courage and cast aspirations on their abilities. It would compare them to a bunch of weak-willed and lily-livered politicians without the stomach for a fight. Had I been taunting them I would have made it far more personal than I did - possibly even comparing them to a bunch of eunuchs who've lost their mojo. But I didn't do that. I'm not taunting them. I just want to know when they stopped being Goonswarm, the destroyers of BoB, the movers and shakers of player null-sec, and became the Vorta.

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    2. That's exactly the point. They haven't stopped being Goonswarm, able to bring Russian, European, Australian corps into their coalition to destroy BoB with their apt diplomacy--they've kept being that Goonswarm. That was like 7 years ago...and I've been playing EVE for not much more than 7 months. So this is all based on reading the history. What are you basing this on?

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    3. "Peace", my friend, not piece. One who argues so eloquently should know this implicitly. Also moonbears.

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  5. What? And if they beat Test, what's next? War on Fatal Ascension, or some other random member of their own coalition? If you get bored Mabrick, are you going to AWOX your corpmates? The argument that 'sov grinds are hellish is a flawed argument because you've done a bunch recently' doesn't fly. Doing something hellish to destroy an alliance you want to destroy is a hell of a lot different than doing something hellish to destroy your buddies. Pun intended.

    Maybe letting some of the bloodthirsty get bored and leave to swell their opposition's ranks is exactly what the Mittani wants. He thinks that war will be both more fun and more winnable than one versus HBC. I'm not saying the current blueball is great, but if they'd rather maintain it than turn on their friends...that's kinda their business. Do something about it, or don't. Your psychoanalysis is both inaccurate and irrelevant, and insultingly oversimplified.

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  6. In all these blogs:

    People who know dick all about nullsec politics trying to tell everyone that they know everything about nullsec politics.

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    1. Well, that was certainly a scholarly statement. Here's your sign.

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    2. And that, good sir, earned you a new subscriber. Also, nice article. =D

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  7. It is hard to say, anyway, thanks for sharing, plz keep going and I am looking forward to your next post.

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  8. You think that we want to grind 165B ehp of structures, not including POSes?

    Nope.

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  9. Shadoo has promised to give me what I want without the nastyness of sov grinds.
    #### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 00:55:11 EVE Time ####

    (5:07:34 PM) shadoo: I suggested to encourage a fight - we put up a 1T into a bank, create IT system to track kill participation, payout 1T to pilots who participate weighted on the amount of kills they are on balanced by hte shjip price
    (5:07:49 PM) shadoo: I'm talking about doing RvB ar 1000v1000 level
    (5:11:30 PM) shadoo: Vee, vince and I even crafted a SOV-like system for conquering to show CCP how fights in 0.0 can be better arranged by concept of EASY conquer
    (5:10:07 PM) shadoo: in large part it would be to show CCP what the game has turned into


    The Mittani was aware of this. Negotiations around it are ongoing. Risk is fine in pursuit of fun, but why risk for fun when you can have the same fun and not risk?

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    1. well i guess we still get player driven content... Driven by one player who benefits monetarily IRL from it. If the music industry is any indication of what income driven people to do mediums of expression (yes I'm saying playing eve is artistic by virtue of its creative nature), then we're in for this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4jnaznUoQ

      "let's just put everything they like in one place and do more cocaine! Right guys?"

      Shadoo= Eve's Irving Azoff

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    2. EVE is not fun because of its gameplay, EVE is fun BECAUSE of the risk not in spite of it. Take the risk out of EVE and what would be the point? Risk means your have something in the fight, whether it be your pod/ship/resources/sov/etc. Even with SRP there is risk, losing a system/station/pos or gaining. Without risk beyond bragging rights you have a themepark/battleground game that will get old very quick and it will lose everything that is EVE.

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  10. Sorry but nullsec sovwar isnt pvp anymore than facwar button orbiting is. They have not negotiated a peace, they have negotiated a war without structure grinds.

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  11. What's this rambling even about?

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  12. Goonswarm didn't even have a moment to stand down from the previous sov grind, and you ALREADY are saying "what happened to Goonswarm??" I like a good hairy fight as much as anyone, but give them a chance to rest for a sec. They will get restless as always and more fighting will ensue.

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