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Friday, August 24, 2012

Engaging Sleepers - WH Lesson #4

Sunday night I participated in my first HBHI operation. We had a dozen anomalies in the hole covering all four Sleeper site types. It was time to make some bank. I know, that's not a strictly industry related occupation. Though it is true that wormholes are an industrialist's playground, the best money is made from the loot and salvage of Sleeper technology. Without this loot and salvage, the entire T3 industry would collapse. This is how an ardent industrialist justifies ratting. It's all about resource acquisition!

So, you may remember from Monday I brought a blaster Dominix into the WH for ratting. This ship did quite well against the Sleepers we encountered. It only went below half armor twice. The biggest hurt put on its tank was from the Argo guns. Damn those things hurt. But with a Domi, a Hyperion and a Typhoon all coordinated by a Damnation we dealt quickly with the guns. It also helped that the Sleepers tend to suffer a bit from attention deficit disorder. Both times they got me to half armor they switched target. It seems they instinctively go for the target dealing the most damage. Rather than warp off, I could just ease back on the DPS until they switched. That may seem a bit mean to my corp mates, but when they are at full shields and I am at half armor it only makes sense. After a couple of repper cycles they can simply repay the honor. *grin*

I learned a good lesson from this operation (that last doesn't count.) Bringing blasters to a Sleeper fight is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. The DPS is awesome... if you can get in range that is. Chances are you'll get a bullet between the eyebrows before that happens. You will spend at least 80% of the engagement out of range and you can pretty much forget the word optimal. Did I mention these bastards kite? You will certainly not get close enough to the Argos guns to take them down if you are solo. They will take you down long before you get into blaster range. Even if you did manage to warp within range by some miracle, you would still have to take special precautions like TurAmarth now does (read down to the paragraphs on the radar installation) to solo these sites.

So the bottom line, I needed a different fit for running Sleeper sites. I can currently fly Gallente and Amarr battleships. I've no experience with lasers whatsoever so that only leaves me with Gallente. That leads me to rail guns. Those are not a problem. I like rail guns. Unfortunately, they require more grid than blasters and proved impossible to keep both tank and DPS intact when mounted on the Domi. As I was unwilling to sacrifice either (because I like to have my cake and eat it too) I needed a new ratting battleship. And, since I am basically a cheap bastard, that left me with only one choice.
[Megathron, Rail Fit]
7x 425mm Railgun II (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L) 
4x Cap Recharger II 
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
3x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay II 
2x Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I 
5x Hammerhead II
15x Warrior II 
[Statistics - Mabrick]
Effective HP: 72,799 (Eve: 67,113)
Tank Ability: 426.28 DPS
Damage Profile - <Omni-Damage> (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 12.50%, Ex: 56.25%, Ki: 47.50%, Th: 30.00%
Armor Resists - EM: 77.94%, Ex: 73.21%, Ki: 71.32%, Th: 71.32%
Capacitor (Lasts 57m 50s)
Volley Damage: 3,036.09
DPS: 503.63
I got it back to the hole and was immediately able to join Strigon and Tur for the last battleship of a site they were working on.
[ 2012.08.23 03:16:47 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 175.0 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:16:54 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 480.7 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:01 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II lightly hits Sleepless Upholder, doing 603.4 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:07 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 373.2 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:14 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 287.3 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:21 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 348.0 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:28 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 427.6 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:32 ] (notify) The drones fail to execute your commands as the target Deadspace Sleeper Sleepless Defender is not within your 57000.0 m drone command range.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:35 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 516.3 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:40 ] (notify) Approaching Sleepless Upholder[ 2012.08.23 03:17:42 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II lightly hits Sleepless Upholder, doing 542.8 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:49 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 173.8 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:17:56 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II barely scratches Sleepless Upholder, causing 337.7 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:18:03 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II hits Sleepless Upholder, doing 1103.5 damage.[ 2012.08.23 03:18:10 ] (combat) Your group of 425mm Railgun II hits Sleepless Upholder, doing 1970.8 damage.
This - does - not - suck. I engaged the Sleeper battleship while still out of drone range. My drone range in this big boy is 57km (see Aura notification in the middle... oops.) Trust me, even though this DPS seems to be nothing spectacular, it is way more than the Domi could dish out in the same circumstances. This is a BIG improvement!

And don't worry about the Domi to much. It still has a very useful role to play in the WH. Here's a hint.
Yep, that's battleship gas harvesting in action. It works very well in fact. I had no problem taking care of the sleepers there and even with a small cargo hold I make over half a million ISK in four (4) minutes. That's six (6) cycles of five (5) Gas Cloud Harvester IIs. See for yourself.
It took longer to run back and forth to the POS than to clear out all the Sleepers and Fullerites from that cloud. In less than an hour I'd made an easy 3.5 million solo. That doesn't really begin to compare with the profit from running sleeper sites but every little bit helps. In fact, the loot and salvage from the two Sleeper frigates and one Sleeper cruiser I took out when I arrived was worth more than this cargo hold full of Fullerite-C60. I'd be upset about that except it's damn profitable!

Fly careful.

5 comments:

  1. Cheap!?! How much did that boat cost to buy and fit? I can dream.... Brilliant to see you having a good laugh and kicking ass in the darkness under sec space.

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    1. Well, relatively inexpensive would be a more appropriate term. It was about 250 million ISK total including lots of ammo. In a hole that's not much. Our Sunday outing paid for more than half of it and that was just my cut once corporation tax was taken out of the haul. I could afford one of these a week if I had to.

      I often forget that isn't "cheap" by new player standards. I remember when I was a year old and my hulk got popped because I was stupid. They only cost 100 million back then but it took a full month mining in my old Covetor to replace it. That was a good lesson.

      BTW, you can read about my stupidity here if you like: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-i-sign-off-with-fly-carefully.html. Oh, and I still have that old Covetor. Always have a backup plan.

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  2. I'm just not entirely sure why you're going through all this with battleships in the first place? They're not really the best sort of ship to be using for running sleeper sites.

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    1. Because a T3 cruiser starts at 600 million ISK PvE fitted as do all the "best sort of ships" and I can buy three battleships for that price. Because I could use a Drake but the DPS lacks for a C3 site and the corp asked for armor tanks. Because I'd never owned a battleship before and I'm getting a big kick out of it. I'll switch off to one of the better ships later, after I've had some fun and made some ISK. So what sort of ship do you consider best?

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  3. I would not harvest gas in a BS, I prefer a Myrmidon, has great cargo capacity (2700+ m3 rigged and fitted) and can field some drones for self defense. You'll need a different ship to clear the spawn though.

    The unboosted 5x Gas harvester II isk per hour for gases is as follows (current max buy order prices in Jita):
    Fullerite-C320 $175,162,446.00
    Fullerite-C540 $67,549,959.00
    Fullerite-C50 $49,500,000.00
    Fullerite-C32 $41,410,548.00
    Fullerite-C72 $34,897,455.00
    Fullerite-C28 $25,897,455.00

    It drops to about 5M/hour after that, not worth your time. Personally, I don't bother with anything below C32 levels. C50 should be pretty abundant in a C3, the 3000 unit large cloud is in Barren Perimeter Reservoirs.

    Remote-rep Tengus are kings of sleeper combat but in a C3 remote-rep Drakes would do very well and neither of them stress the static connection as much as battleships do. That is unless you happen upon a system with armor favoring effects.

    Good luck!

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