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Friday, June 29, 2012

Sniper Talos

Jester's Fit of the Week this week is a hands down damage dealing beast. It is a shield tanked and PvP fit Talos. I asked Jester about armor tanking it and he was very polite. Jester is a nice man like that. Just don't piss off his evil twin Garth (who we've not heard from in some time and that makes me worry.)

So, to the point. Below Jester's reply Hoarr pointed out armor fit for PvP in a Talos is not just a no but a NO! I agree. What I didn't make clear in my question of Jester was that the Talos I had in mind is sniper fit. It's something I hoped to try out when the Goons declared war against MABMM earlier this month. I never got the chance. Some day I will. I have no doubt.

So, to the point of the post. Since I wasn't clear on Jester's blog and I needed a topic anyway, I decided I'd enter the realm of fit critiquing and offer up my Sniper Talos as fodder. Here it is.
Sniper Talos
What I really like about this ship is that is has a fast lock (3 seconds on most frigates) and a sit-up-and-take-notice alpha strike. I can mix and match drones as "assistants" (your mix may vary.) It also as a good range versus hit profile. Here are the charts.
Now, since we've already established that the armor repper is undesirable, throw it out. You shouldn't be close enough to your target to need it. As Jester pointed out, overheating your MWD gives a top speed over 2200m/s. You should be able to kite just about anything at that speed and those ships you can't will explode long before they can hurt you. Right?

So what can we use instead of the repper? Well, just about anything, but another Mag Stab boosts alpha to nearly 3900. O.O Also, if you don't like that range chart just switch to Spike. It'll cost you some alpha and DPS but you'll get a chart like this.
Now who doesn't like the look of this chart? There is one word of warning I have though. These are still battleship turrets. They are massive and they take time to turn. Tracking is not great even with the tracking enhancement modules. The closer the target is and the more transverse velocity it has the harder it will be to hit. Don't let the target get within 30K is all I can say. The front of the curve with any transverse velocity applied is ugly. Of course, anyone who decides to close on this ship is either suicidal or just plain foolish. It aligns in 6 seconds and can just dance away if you don't want to warp out.

So, that's my sniper Talos. I know it's not perfect - nothing ever is. And it isn't a PvP monster like Jester's.  Sitting safely at range isn't exactly the stuff of PvP legend. But I'm a carebear. I'm not interested in being a legend. I just don't want to wake up in a clone vat.

Fly careful.

4 comments:

  1. Nah, you're not a carebear. _Real_ carebears don't PvP.

    Now here's a good question: what's the point of having a ship that can shoot 100+km if you don't have tackle present on the field? Ok great, if you can alpha something, awesome. But if not, well, as you pointed out about your own ship: can always just turn and run. ;-)

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    1. Bears are omnivores.

      As for them running away, sure, they can run. But how will that look in my blog the next day?

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    2. Naga does it better.


      [Naga, please]
      Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
      Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
      Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

      Sensor Booster II
      Sensor Booster II
      Tracking Computer II
      Tracking Computer II
      Tracking Computer II
      Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II
      425mm Railgun II

      Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
      Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
      Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

      Something like 8k EHP

      50-100km:
      Sebos are 2x scan res
      Tracking computers are 3 x tracking speed (54+30km)
      Ammo is CN AM for 761 DPS

      100-150km:
      sebos are 1 scan res, 1 targeting range
      Tracking computers are 3x optimal range (133+58km guns)
      Ammo is CN Thorium for 570DPS

      Can do 440 DPS with Spike out to 225km or so

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  2. If you want to fly this Talos fit into combat, I would definitely suggest a full flight of ECM drones. There _are_ ships that will catch up with you, shut down your MWD and prevent you from warping. In these situations 3 light ECM drones are not enough to guarantee breaking their lock.

    Despite the Naga's advantages, I actually like the Tornado more as a sniper platform. it does less DPS, but can do more than 10K alpha strike and with T2 Quake ammo you get a 25% tracking bonus too.

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