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Saturday, May 5, 2012

If this is null, Goons can have it.

I got this communique yesterday (buttons too!) and it really summed up why I like being a carebear - but not in the way you'd think.
"I’d like to hand a few of these to some people I play Eve with…"

"I logged in last night just in time to hear that an Alliance FC who had a strat OP starting 30 minutes previously was planning to fly around in his alt and shoot people in the systems who were not fleeted up. Claimed it was a CTA (Call to arms) – it was not. Also, we were told to check the forums for ops and info. The OP said “tonight (May4, (May 5 in game)”, which last night would have meant Friday night, not last night. I was not online for the broadcast. A bunch of people logged off. I played with my hi-sec alts. One of the Alliance Diplos cornered our Diplo and asked why one of our people had a mining fleet up in fleets when there was a CTA going. The mining Director, who had the fleet up, and who was doing her job – we need minerals and we need ice – logged out shortly thereafter in an extremely agitated mood. She really doesn’t do PvP more than to dabble in it. For all the good things this alliance does, sometimes the leadership is completely FUBAR."
"For me, the other day, I was ending a fleet mining op in a huyrry, hauling ore, (I am  [redacted]), because the Alliance had just sent out a ping for an inbound hostile fleet – form up now kind of thing. So I hauled all the ore (2 orca trips) then jumped my way over to the staging system, docked, changed ships, then was singled out on comms by the FC (who was also the Alliance Leader) with a couple of others to leave fleet because we were still docked. I was 5 seconds away from undocking – the fleet was still in system. So I dropped fleet, said “F… You”, and unfortunately, pushed the talk button when I said it, so it went out on fleet comms. He replied “f you 2”, and I said in as nice a voice as I could: “oops. I’m sorry. Wrong Comms”. It really was – I had no intention of saying that to the alliance leader out loud. On one hand I regret it, on the other, not so much."
"So, last night, when the OP start time was 45 minutes past, I was not even considering joining, and was quite curious why the FC was still hanging around with an alt worrying about the people who were NOT in the fleet. Seems to me he had a fleet to run. Ahhh, the joys of incompetent boobs for leadership."
"The same FC was bitching at people in the intel and alliance channels all night. Some of these buttons below would apply to him, for certain."
"Obviously, NONE of the Alliance leadership has ever heard of Schofield’s Definition of Discipline. I am tempted to spam them all with it. OF course, one has to have the intelligence to understand it, and the capability to apply it correctly even if it is understood. Somehow I doubt these guys qualify on either count."
"Needless to say, I did not have fun last night – my stomach was churning like crazy, and I got very little accomplished. I’m hoping tonight will be a better night. IF things continue this way, I may have that 2 word convo with the alliance leader again, and go elsewhere. I don’t have to live in 0.0, although I really like this corporation. I just don’t think we have any or enough influence to get any real changes made."
And no, I won't identify my friend and get him booted from CFC. He'll have to do that himself. But I have to ask, what makes people play a game in such a vitriolic environment? Seriously, EvE is MY game. I play it on my terms the way I want to play it. This is the way that is most FUN and RELAXING for ME. Now, take those three capitalized words and put them together. MY FUN RELAXING ME. There, I knew you could. That is what EvE is really about.

If the above email is what it's like in null sec for even one day, I have to call bullshit on the assholes that make it that way. I learned a long time ago, in a different life, that a soldier's second favorite past time is bitching. However, it is incumbent upon a leadership to make sure the soldiers are bitching about the job they are required to do and not the leader personally. "It is possible to impart instruction and to give commands in such a manner and such a tone of voice to inspire in the soldier no feeling but an intense desire to obey, while the opposite manner and tone of voice cannot fail to excite strong resentment and a desire to disobey." That last sort of leadership, in the end, is more destructive than enemy cannons could ever be.

And knowing that EvE is full of such clueless people is why I like being a hi-sec carebear industrialist. I am beholding to no one. I don't have to put up with shit from anyone. And if I don't like what Hulkageddoners are doing, I can ship up and try to do something about it - without getting clearance first from some dip-wad. That is fun. Being harassed and insulted because you are not doing what someone else demands you do is crap.

I hope my friend finds funner times ahead. He's not really into outright PvP. He likes a good fleet op. He loves making ISK. In many ways, the promise of null sec is just what he needs. The reality of null sec life is not. And if that is null, Goons can have it - but then again, they are the cause aren't they. "The one mode or the other of dealing with subordinates springs from a corresponding spirit in the breast of the commander. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect toward others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself." (And by inferior, Major General Schofield. meant rank and nothing more.) Doesn't that just about sum up Goon leadership?
In other news, we are working on a project which will require ~social media~ traction, namely the ability for us to ‘own’ Eve-related feeds (#tweetfleet, #eveonline) for days or weeks. There will be more news about this later, but in the meantime make a Twitter account if you haven’t already to allow coordinated RTs of key messages. Mash this butan, make account, it ain’t rocket science:
As a side benefit, #tweetfleet is chock full of hysterical, thin-skinned publords who become furious when trolled, and there’s no moderators to protect them from us.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***

(Emphasis mine)

Fly careful.


  1. Not only is that the tone of Nullsec, but if you're in the CFC and complain about the tone and behavior of Goons, you're told to "man up" and that you're just a "pubbie" who wants to turn EVE into "Hello Kitty Online".

    It's really ugly out there. Not surprising, since the dominant factions grew out of some of the more ugly internet meessageboards.

    CCP should probably hire a social psychologist. I could be a field day.

  2. Comment system ate my post when tried to comment and kept making me prove i wasn't a bot.

    But for reasons like this is why i don't live or care to live in Null sec as it is. I aren't no body's bitch and i play EVE the way i choose to, how i choose to on my own time.

    Ardent Defender

  3. It's very much at odds with the Goon PR which trys to show them as all about the little person.

  4. Amen, brother, amen. I pay my money to play an internet spaceship game the way I want to play it. On any given day, I've got limited play time that I don't want to spend forming up, bee-bopping across systems with no names, and doing what somebody else orders me to do. I've got to follow orders IRL, so I'm not crazy at all about doing it in a game.

    Now I have no issues with other folks playing that way. That's why it's a sandbox and if the "F1 the primary" crowd enjoy it, good for them.

  5. A project that requires social media traction? This could get interesting.

  6. It is, alas, the tone of the majority of null, from what I can gather from my brief time in null. Newer alliances seem to be better than the more established ones, in terms of trying to tell people how to play the game, but only by degree.

    Too many players in null seem to think that all motivation comes in the form of Full Metal Jacket DIs all the time. There is a time and a place for that, but as a former CF detachment commander, that kind of motivating through bullying rarely produces the desired result over time.

  7. Goonswarm Federation does not have CTA's. If his alliance leadership did that, they did it at their own behest. Check out deklein during a stratop. People are still ratting, no one yells at them. Check out Fountain during stratops, no one yells at them. People like GENTS, SMA, and FA are really vigilant about getting people in fleets for some reason.


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